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Lesv0s

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spirituality and Abrahamic monotheistic paternalistic religions
« on: December 18, 2023, 05:36:00 am »
Dear New Age Lifestyle forum readers.
When I was a little girl I couldn’t escape and was singing gospels.
But now with the amount of ads all around, many lights bringing light pollution, noise causing noise pollution, all consumerism and materialism all around me and people buying many things that don’t necessarily need, nor like, offering and receiving disposable gifts, disposable gift wrapping, beautiful packaging ending up as rubbish, consumers not caring for the planet, I have begun doubting more and more about the traditional religions.
Here is a small video about pollution:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nje68gNWRtM
How did it all start? What is the stance, what’s the posture of the New Age Lifestyle for the Abrahamic monotheistic religions regarding father, son and Holy Spirit? Why not mother, daughter and Holy Spirit?
Don't you find the Abrahamic monotheistic religions as very paternalistic: Abraham, Isaac, Jacob… Noah…?
Regarding the spirit of the Holy Spirit, other than coming in the form of tongues of fire:
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Acts%202%3A3-8&version=ESV
we know that  the Holy Spirit came as a miracle on top of the Apostles’ heads to make them learn instantly all Roman Empire languages, thus helping them spread the Gospel, the word of God, BUT what else? Where else do we have a reference of Holy Spirit’s gender?
Or does the Holy Spirit have any gender, sex - spirits don’t have any genitals, right? They must be eunuchs!
Is it a servant to the masculine Judeo-Christian god?
What is our viewpoint regarding religion? Does the New Age Lifestyle need a NEW religion, more in line with feminism or no religion at all, since they were simply ancient astronauts coming from the Pleiades, Orion, Taurus, Cygnus, Pisces, Leo,… constellation?
How did God have a son all alone without a female uterus and ovum?
Many people are agnostic or atheist but they still follow the traditions – they don’t want to confront neighbors, family, friends, so they remain in the closet hiding. Is that how god had a son with a method similar to a parthenogenesis
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parthenogenesis ?
I guess the tradition of bringing gifts started when the 3 wizards: Melchior, Gaspar and Balthazar brought presents to the new-born son of God in Bethlehem.
Don’t you feel that with so much materialism all around, so much consumption taking place, so much pollution all over, that spirituality is gone?
Merry Christmas with hugs and kisses!

Lesv0s

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"What is our viewpoint regarding religion? Does the New Age Lifestyle need a NEW religion"

What is our viewpoint regarding the selection of cars? Does the new Age Lifestyle need a specific car?
What is our viewpoint regarding democracy? Does the new Age Lifestyle need democracy?
What is our viewpoint regarding pets? Does the new Age Lifestyle need a pet?
What is our viewpoint regarding veganism? Does the new Age Lifestyle need veganism?

Believe in whatever you consider you should believe (islam, jewish, presbiteran, buda, the monster of the flying spagethi....), the new Age Lifestyle is not against it. If your believes are against New Age Lifestyle challenge the leaders of your believes with questions about compatibility.
We put no boundaries for compatibility
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You raise some interesting ideas and thoughts.

The three Abrahamic religions are very paternalist in basic outlook, with, I would suggest, Islam being the most,  with a strong element of misogyny. Within Christianity, particularly the Catholic strand, there is an undercurrent of respect and worship for Women, centered on Mary; while Protestantism is generally much more male dominant - the purge of 'witches' or wise women in the 16th/17th centuries being a case in point. While Judaism is nominally very paternalist, its matrilineal features shouldn’t be forgotten, and anyone who has known Jewish families will know how dominant many Jewish Women can be!

The other major world religions are also fairly paternalistic, although Woman worship is quite prevalent in corners of Hinduism.

I think what we are seeing in western religions is the increase in power of Women within churches, which merely reflects what is happening in wider societies. Women vicars, Women bishops…

I'm sure this trend will accelerate. The last twenty years have seen attempts to allow Women to be ordained in the Catholic Church, and although these have so far been resisted, it is hard to believe that the Church will not eventually crumble. The Catholic practise of confession has always given priests a great deal of power over their flock: imagine what a radical feminist Woman Catholic priest would be able to do with this power.

Maybe a new religion, as Ms Lesv0s suggests is a way forward, but the route of entryism - using the existing structures, but turning them to New Age usage, might be a better way?

On the commerciality of Christmas, I have to agree. It’s very distasteful to see the shops putting out the Christmas tat earlier every year, and the expectations of children being ramped ever higher. Of course in female led households, where the Woman controls the purse strings, Christmas expenditure can be managed properly and appropriately.
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Dear All. I agree with most of what Bonzodoug comments and I find this debate very enriching and rewarding.
Yes, on one hand I was looking for a comparison between religions and mythologies considering ecology and how to protect the environment, as people are buying things without really needing them, then they throw the old ones, when they could still be used, or they throw objects that are still working, very functional goods.
They throw plastic bags full of clothes or donate them to Salvation Army, clothing that people only wore once or twice! Is that squandering? 
Yes, Bonzodoug you are right: another thing that bothers me is the commerciality or the amount of commercials all over and a plethora of advertisements “putting out the Christmas tat earlier every year”, everybody is selling everything, everywhere.
Then in ancient times there was no feminism and, obviously, everything was centered on the males of the human species.
I agree again with Bonzodoug, there is more equality and most religions are slowly becoming less paternalistic.
I’m just losing my religion: https://youtu.be/xwtdhWltSIg?si=G_FYiIUmMsBcfCp6
Is there any way to limit the amount of commercials and advertisements all over, as a way for the global society to gain spirituality AND unite all humans in protecting this planet?
Maybe we do have an external threat just like he was saying:
https://youtube.com/shorts/Q-grWoDPs4I?si=G_8DSdLLD-nI5Qid
https://youtu.be/MAAHgAuti84?si=ixR98RkTYOUQNFxW …and somehow we should limit the squandering.
Merry Christmas to all!

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Ooooh my darling Ms Lesv0s as a silly air head male my worries are keeping my superiors home spotless her clothes clean laundered and put away for her my work in her kitchen and my ability to please her in the kitchen and and definitely in her bedroom.Sorry Ms Lesv0s But my superiors is my only goal in my lovely new age lifestyle darling Ms Lesv0s

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Hello Ms. Lesv0s: Kudos, you raise some interesting topics.

Perhaps you would find Ms. Viola Voltairine's podcasts (on YouTube) or her books of interest. Like yourself, she is deeply spiritual and questions the male dominance of the Abrahamic, monotheistic religions.

There is a lot to discuss here, social justice has many aspects (economic inequality, food insecurity, lack of affordable housing, unemployment, mass incarceration, immigration, etc.).

Probably beyond what can be discussed here. But a gynarchy can solve the problems that males have created with their competitive nature and biases.

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My wife thinks it goes back to when men discovered they were part of procreation. Before that
women were worshipped as the givers of life. Patriarchy grew from when men found out they
impregnated the women.

For instance, when the Neanderthal caves were discovered. We've all seen the drawings of animals
and hunting, they did not share the drawings of female genitalia that were also there.
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I wanted to comment in this thread but I'll try to keep it brief. One quick way of starting an argument is to bring up politics or religion.

I did want to agree with some of the comments made here. The community I was brought up in was broadly Christian and as a girl I was quick to note that the role of women in Christian society revolved around knowing their place and doing what they are told. Some Abrahamic faiths do go a step beyond that and suggest that women are inferior to men. I certainly don't wish to offend, but I don't really see link between spirituality and the Abrahamic faiths. The good that comes from these faiths tends to come from the followers themselves who support each other and their communities through their own volition rather than the institution itself.

Neither my partner nor I actively practice any faith, although he is the spiritual one and does have a belief system. His is polytheistic, having both a God and Goddess. Both are required for the world to be. Oddly, we do spend a lot of time in church as our local community group is lead by Christians. They do not seem to have any issue with our lack of faith. 

I would be against the idea of the New Age Movement having an official religion, or developing a new one. All too often, organized religion can become the vehicle of bigotry, intolerance, and oppression. Even the most fleeting glance at a history book would show that. Faith and spirituality should be a personal thing. 
 
- Claire.
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Thank you very much Conway for this recommendation:
https://www.youtube.com/@ViolaVoltairine
Thanks a lot to Dena and Lady Clair for their input!
Yes, some people are idealists, some are materialists and some are spiritualists.
I was just getting a bit religious.
I guess ex-president Ronald Reagan was also a bit religious thinking of intelligent entities, or intelligences, or spirits out there on the skies, or the heavens.
But this doesn’t mean that I’m with the elephants, nor with the donkeys and definitely I was not talking about politics!
It’s just the season we are in and the amount of rubbish, trash, litter created, as well as noise pollution, light pollution, plastics, paper, cardboard shipping boxes, etc.
What would a reptilian, or insectoid, or eight-limbed mollusc (octopus) or amphibian intelligent creature think of us, the humanity, from up there @ the space, or coming from another parallel universe, or from another dimension, or from the future coming back to our timeframe?!
Then I feel – and that is my opinion – that capitalism, too much competitiveness to buy the largest house, the most powerful car is not healthy - among other things it creates stress and anxiety.
Then advertisements of the type “Buy this, buy that and you’ll be happier”,  “You need this, you need that to be happy” make people sad, depressive, especially when they see the price tag and they can’t afford it.
Commercials by themselves create pollution, rubbish, trash… as people throw things that are still good, functional. They don’t recycle, reuse and reduce!
Is it a sin all that noise pollution, light pollution, plastics, paper, rubbish, etc.? What does the Holy Bible or Torah or Quran or mahabharata, vedas,... say about that concept of NOT protecting the environment?
But of course "Faith and spirituality are personal things".
All the best and stay healthy, love and kisses,
Lesv0s
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