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General Discussion / Re: Uk education secretary
« on: March 03, 2026, 05:01:02 pm »
Quite right too.
When Jemima and I were at school there was quite a lot of gender differentiation. Both in terms of uniform and the activities that we were expected to take part in. For example, football and cricket for boys, netball and hockey for girls. I never tried to partake in any of the boys sports but I imagine if I did I would be pushed back into more feminine sports.
My school had a very generic uniform. It did not indicate which school I attended, it was just the classic mix of grey and black. The school divided into a junior section and a senior section. The junior section wore grey and the senior section wore black. Outside of that, my school wardrobe had some variation. A white blouse was a constant. Other than that I had a choice of skirts – pleated or straight which could be worn above or below the knee. Both trousers and leggings were acceptable. These were worn with socks or tights. There were no seasonal restriction and I was free to wear whatever combination I wished. Entering the senior section meant that make-up was allowed. This was supposed to be discreet but many girls plastered it on. Teachers generally ignored that as, at fifteen or sixteen, we were all just trying the hide the fact that we had lank hair and terrible acne.
Jemima wore a white shirt, black trousers, and grey jumper throughout his school career. No variation.
In recent years, some schools have pushed to a more gender neutral policy. This might sound more encouraging but I am actually against the idea. This policy of neutrality means the removal of dresses, leggings, and skirts from the list of permitted uniform. Make-up and jewellery are also completely banned for both sexes. By default then, all pupils end up wearing the boy’s uniform and in doing so this stops girls expressing their femininity. I am aware that school may not be a fashion show but with this level of restriction pupils may as well wear Oceania style blue overalls.
My argument here is that this shouldn’t even be an issue at all. Forums like this – and it is not alone – have clearly shown that we don’t live in a society where all girls like to skip and play with dolls before becoming housewives, just as not all boys love football and cricket before becoming alpha-male titans of industry. I suggest that true gender neutrality comes from letting boys wear skirts and dresses as they please. Taking my old school as an example, it would allow boys to make the same choices and define their personalises just as I did as a teenager. There is enough variation in the uniform rules to allow someone to experiment with who they are whilst still retaining the idea of a formal school uniform. It is important to work against the stereotypes of what boys and girls should be like. The current system only promotes toxic masculinity.
Sorry, @Fishnetman, I do recall my old school banning fishnets. The goth girls wanted to wear them but they were considered a bit too much, which I guess made them even more miserable. Maybe modern schools would take a different approach.
- Claire.
When Jemima and I were at school there was quite a lot of gender differentiation. Both in terms of uniform and the activities that we were expected to take part in. For example, football and cricket for boys, netball and hockey for girls. I never tried to partake in any of the boys sports but I imagine if I did I would be pushed back into more feminine sports.
My school had a very generic uniform. It did not indicate which school I attended, it was just the classic mix of grey and black. The school divided into a junior section and a senior section. The junior section wore grey and the senior section wore black. Outside of that, my school wardrobe had some variation. A white blouse was a constant. Other than that I had a choice of skirts – pleated or straight which could be worn above or below the knee. Both trousers and leggings were acceptable. These were worn with socks or tights. There were no seasonal restriction and I was free to wear whatever combination I wished. Entering the senior section meant that make-up was allowed. This was supposed to be discreet but many girls plastered it on. Teachers generally ignored that as, at fifteen or sixteen, we were all just trying the hide the fact that we had lank hair and terrible acne.
Jemima wore a white shirt, black trousers, and grey jumper throughout his school career. No variation.
In recent years, some schools have pushed to a more gender neutral policy. This might sound more encouraging but I am actually against the idea. This policy of neutrality means the removal of dresses, leggings, and skirts from the list of permitted uniform. Make-up and jewellery are also completely banned for both sexes. By default then, all pupils end up wearing the boy’s uniform and in doing so this stops girls expressing their femininity. I am aware that school may not be a fashion show but with this level of restriction pupils may as well wear Oceania style blue overalls.
My argument here is that this shouldn’t even be an issue at all. Forums like this – and it is not alone – have clearly shown that we don’t live in a society where all girls like to skip and play with dolls before becoming housewives, just as not all boys love football and cricket before becoming alpha-male titans of industry. I suggest that true gender neutrality comes from letting boys wear skirts and dresses as they please. Taking my old school as an example, it would allow boys to make the same choices and define their personalises just as I did as a teenager. There is enough variation in the uniform rules to allow someone to experiment with who they are whilst still retaining the idea of a formal school uniform. It is important to work against the stereotypes of what boys and girls should be like. The current system only promotes toxic masculinity.
Sorry, @Fishnetman, I do recall my old school banning fishnets. The goth girls wanted to wear them but they were considered a bit too much, which I guess made them even more miserable. Maybe modern schools would take a different approach.
- Claire.